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Transcript Episode 80: Word Magic
This is a transcript for Lingthusiasm episode ‘Word Magic’. It’s been lightly edited for readability. Listen to the episode here or wherever you get your podcasts. Links to studies mentioned and further reading can be found on the episode show notes page.
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Gretchen: Welcome to Lingthusiasm, a podcast that’s enthusiastic about linguistics! I’m Gretchen McCulloch.
Lauren: I’m Lauren Gawne. Today, we’re getting enthusiastic about word magic. But first, people often ask us to recommend books about linguistics that don’t assume prior knowledge of linguistics, so we’ve come up with a list of 12 books plus a few bonuses, including both nonfiction as well as some fiction books with some linguistically interesting elements.
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Gretchen: Speaking of books, I’ve read some linguistically interesting books lately!
Lauren: We realised that a common thread between some of the books we’ve been reading was this link of magic.
Gretchen: Specifically, I love the way that books about magic are also often really linguistically interesting because saying the word and casting the magic spell are so intertwined when it comes to our conception of how magic works. Actually, “magic spell” and “spelling a word” – etymologically, I’ve just look this up, and these have a common root.
Lingthusiasm Episode 80: Word Magic
The magical kind of spell and the written kind of spell are historically linked. This reflects how saying a word can change the state of the world, both in terms of fictional magic spells that set things on fire or make them invisible, and in terms of the real-world linguistic concept of performative utterances, which let us agree to contracts, place bets, establish names, and otherwise alter the fabric of our relationships.
In this episode, your hosts Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne get enthusiastic about word magic! We talk about how the word magic systems are set up differently in three recent fantasy books we like: Babel by R.F. Kuang, Carry On by Rainbow Rowell, and the Scholomance series by Naomi Novik. We also talk about linguistic performatives: why saying “I do” in a movie doesn’t make you married, aka Felicity Conditions, aka an excellent drag name; performativity as applied to gender (yup, Judith Butler got it from linguistics); the “hereby” test; and how technology changes what counts as a performative.
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Here are the links mentioned in the episode:
- Sign up to our newsletter and get our list of 12 linguistically interesting books!
- Etymonline entry for ‘spell’
- Etymonline entry for ‘glamour’
- ‘Babel’ by R. F. Kuang on Goodreads
- ‘Carry On - The Simon Snow series’ by Rainbow Rowell on Goodreads
- ‘A Deadly Education - The Scholomance Series’ by Naomi Novik on Goodreads
- Lingthusiasm episode ‘Cool things about scales and implicature’
- Wikipedia entry for ‘performative utterances’
- Superlinguo post on ‘I do’ and performatives in weddings
- Government of Canada post on ‘hereby’
- All Things Linguistics post on performatives
- Judith Butler Wikipedia entry
- ‘Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity’ by Judith Butler on Goodreads
- ‘Universality and specificity in infant-directed speech: Pitch modifications as a function of infant age and sex in a tonal and non-tonal language’ by C. Kitamura et al
- Tambiah 1968 on word magic
Lingthusiasm bonus episodes on swearing:
- ‘Real swear words vs pseudo swears’
- ‘The grammar of swearing’
- ‘What makes a swear word feel sweary? A &⩐#⦫& Liveshow’
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