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coolchildfreeguyNo argument from this ex-Mormon atheist. Being able to get tattoos is one of the many reasons I left
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John K. CarterT J Gray is correct. Mormon men (most) are very willing to ignore the warnings of Moroni and wallow
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D MillerI could not have said it any better. Call me old fashioned, but at the very least, is it not a very
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supportusabantsaReblogged this on Patriot News II.
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Michael McNewThere is a difference between a guideline or opinion from a Church authority and a directive from Go
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craigDid any of the men who framed the constitution have any beliefs that were akin to Mormonism?
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DariusIts sad to see how many people are willfully wanting to rebel against scripture and the words of the
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Elder DelaneyDearest member, Thank you for your faith and righteousness in furthering the work of the Lord accord
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Rick HendersonI certainly do not profess to know Harry Reids standing in the LDS Church, but it appears he still c
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LDS PatriotFacts and Statistics The First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has iss
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Barbaragreat work, and I will publish this at my facebook site. We need a national group of organizers who
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rMore on this study, read the entire chapter of 1 Cor. 15. and it will be clear that the "they" is re
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BradA few years past the initial start if this whole thing, but here goes. Why does it matter?? When we
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Fre ThinkerI think after Harry Reid's activity today along with his false witness against Mitt Romney, it is mo
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Robert NielsonThe current polls say people are in general more accepting of a potential mormon president. My God,
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JohnQThank you for your thoughtful and logical insights. Your explanations are well-worded and your metho
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Robert SmootWell let's let Mormon church leaders lead us around with a rope. It is so much easier than thinking
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mikeProper Spirit prevents foolish criticsm.Latter-day Saints are counseled to avoid the pitfalls of tat
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mikkeli know that this is the last of times. the prophets have told us what to look for and now that we ar
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btphelpsAll depends on your point of view. I know some individuals who wear the badge of a TBM with great pr
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laura arndtMy family is lds, me not so much. This is going to be an event of a lifetime and rather the world en
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Andy HardwickMy my how pharasee-like of us to start excommunicating people because of their political beliefs. Ma
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KennethIf you want to read something interesting for the future and what we will soon be going through... r
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SusanI live from payday to payday.. but every payday I add more to our food storage.. what will come will
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Fulano SiclanoI am surprised some of the comments have taken President Hinckley's comments way too literally regar
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Steven BanachOccupy till Jesus comes. Eze 27 the occupied are Assurites (high place people) or obama people, begu
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mikeHe is not saying the world will "end" nor have the prophets. There will not ve an end but rather a t
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SPURWING PLOVERForcing our military to wear the UN blue of be under forgein commanders isnt what our founding fathe
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KuiAloha, We have been warned from the beginning of time. Even Noah struggled to encourage the people t
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SteveI'm not sure who you are, but it is readily apparent that you don't really understand the issue of t
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Jonathan CHMUSA has already been turned up to have economic crisis even beginning of year 2011 The USA currency
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bethAs a non-Mormon, I don't understand. Are you saying the Aaronic priesthood is a restoration of the L
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Naval Officer.This man was not penalized for praying in the name of Jesus, but for many other things. I am in the
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RIKISHADEi love the comment above me haha im 18 and have a tattoo, im still hoping i could go on a mission, b
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dmparkmanHistory surely repeats ! Why ? Because human beings do not know history let alone the scriptures. Fu
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EricThis whole thread shows the continual inability of a country bound by pledges of loyalty to the U.S.
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mikeI trust the church authorities to make such determinations as excommunications. I've made enough mis
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MormonForSpusaYour HEART says excommunicate him? Glad to see that "change" Mormons talk about has already happened
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Brown hair76@yahoo.comYeah, let the Church excommunicate.There are lots of sick and mental sick people in the Church. Let
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Barbara WrightToday, I picked Gerald Atwood's name at my church from 9-11 "not-forgotten". I will pray for you and
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David MackayI have been in the church for several years and never heard 2012 mentioned in Priesthood, sacrament,
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Gene F. DanforthIn the Discourses of Brigham Young he mentions that the greatest threat would be from apostates.If H
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William LeeWow. You must be a fast typist... I am also LDS, and Sept 10th I will be in Chicago debating a 9/11
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tyler@Gnosis If it's your temple we dont really care what you do with it. No one is going around tattooin
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lavamerLarry VelascoDear Ms. Wasik, My wife was Catholic too and turned LDS Morman about 11/2 years after we were marrie
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brodydefinitely, its all about whats in the heart to me you dont take your body to heavin anyways so the
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GWhat's bad about sand people?
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MattAbsolutely not!!! You should not feel the bit wrong for honoring the memory of you family. Some will
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naomirosannaAMEN to you Robert G. Neilson!!!
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jojoyeah, it's just like the Fallout games. Real money's gone, but bottle caps aren't!
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shoobydooI appreciate your comments Robert. I am lds, have had a temple recommend and I have 3 tattoos. Two b
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Steve RI use to be a Republican and now I am not. Mitt Romney would have a far better chance being voted in
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max haleYou don't need a degree in pysics or any other type of degree (I don't). All you need to do is look
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D. AndreasonI have read these posts with interast and must weigh in. Now listen up boys and girls! The diologe y
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Chuck WhickerThe church seems to have forgotten the proper principles of judgment. The Left stands against the fo
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erikDo you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices a
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SteveWhen you vote for same sex marriage as a politician, or defend a child molester as a criminal attorn
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yet as anouth "jack mormon"Will someone explaine to me why I, feel, I ,can not atened Church ..yet this man is alload to too st
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StephanieI think that he has to remember that the gospel is true, the church is true, but the people are not.
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Matt M.I dont know when these comments were made so i might be a little late. I just about agree with every
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TomThat's exactly what I was thinking.
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Jane GibsonUS you have learn about other countries ezample who are your friends and who are not. The UN is a co
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SimoneThe myans mention a significant happening not the end of the world. So really I believe that because
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steve feistner2 Tim.2:15 , Since I was a very young Marine and Bishop Bunker USMC , was my council, the memory of
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Alan W. Wardell(1) Your article has Joseph Smith's birthdate in 1820. That would have him translating the Book of M
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Amy VetterliMy father, Richard Vetterli, former poly sci professor at BYU would be rolling over in his grave if
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Robert BrusmanThe more correct book you should read is “Carthage Conspiracy” by Dallin H. Oakes and Marvin S. Hill
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Quick FactsYou you could make changes to the post name title 9/11, Steven Jones, and Me – Part 3 LDS Patr
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TylerJosph Si=mith Jr. is my 8 Grates grandfather
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Jeff SteedLDS Patriot, You are overlooking one VERY important fact in your analysis. The Mormon church is neig
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michael98how heartless are you?
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jonathanYou are an idiot. Tattooing ones body is totally a personal choice. If it is so sinful, then the chu
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RustyI am the one that stated the post of how it is that Harry Reid has not been excommunicated. I never
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VestynI agree with Professor Steven Jones. I am a member of the Church, and I think Professor Jones is an
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Fred BradySorry, but Lundwall's book is almost entirely unsubstantiated folklore and wishful thinking. You are
- The Law of Chastity – President Ezra Taft Benson | LDS Place[...] and appear in many disguises, but the Lord has given us the key for resisting it. He said to t
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TeeCould you e-mail me your thoughts about tattoos as I saw them on the LDS Patriot site? I am in the p
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OwenLeviticus 19:28 says not to make cuttings in your flesh for the dead or print any marks upon you. Th
- An Introduction to the Book of Mormon | LDS Blogs[...] born at the beginning of the 19th century and only a few decades after the Revolutionary War.
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Karen"Secret Combinations"!!!!!
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runwasatchStrange that all of you doom sayers ignored President Hinckley's word in full context. He specifical
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samits a little like watching a "civilization" video game in high-speed :-)
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JThough ‘The Fate of the Persecutors of the Prophet Joseph Smith’ may give what seems like a fitting
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Jean-Paul TRAN"19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood
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suzan de wittMy questions is regarding the mark of the beast. Very little is being said about the possible implan
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Marianne SmileyJudge not,that ye may not be judged, for with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and with w
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ThaboThese are such sad stories! I served in the Johannesburg mission, and I got mugged once. Gratefully,
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Tobi MeyersI appreciate the objective manner in which this article has been written. I enjoy researching about
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kathryn irbyI'm confused I thought that Mormons believed in the sanctity of human life. If that's the case shoul
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XeeshaFamily law should belong to the States, not the Federal Government. Mormons know this better than an
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ShermatexI regret that I knew this guy very well... as a matter of fact he is the guy that baptised me into t
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KPThanks rcronk. I am not a Morman. I do have several Morman friends. I appreciate and respect your co
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DennyAs a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I say to those who despise Brother H
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PeterIn addition to the above, people need to realize that the Mormon religion is based on modern day rev
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GlenGrandpa, I really liked what you had to say. I so look forward to being part of this group. I also j
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AbummaanyncThe response to local and national disasters is noble but it's a damn shame that so many people take
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John CassanovaThat’s a like big mystery…yet to be unveiled…but, whatever has to happen shall happen…so be optimist
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StevenI have never been found of decorating the body with multiple tattoos that make you look like a clown
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T J GrayI am completing the book The Farmer Jones Series"Patriot Angel" Have I finally found some Mormons en
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AnonDebunked. The sun is just entering its new phase and will not reach peak by 2012.
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ClifKudos to John and Jason. I get awfully tired of the self-righteousness of so many Republican LDS tha
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markReid is not a real Mormon, no need to ex him, God will
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Gwen"Sand people" really... really... please stop behaving like a slug. Note I said "behaving" like a sl
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- Faith, Repentance, Baptism, Holy Spirit | Jesus Christ[...] fully, he can be baptized. This is the third step of the four critical principles and ordinanc
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Jimbo32Hey, nice tats!
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GarrettMy comments aren't intended to negate any of those that have been posted. I'd like to suggest one th
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Mark HansenMy son just received the Aaronic Priesthood. In the weeks previous, in all of our family home evenin
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LarryWhat happened to Cumorah.com?
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Darrell M. WarnickMy correct phome # 756-8860 -- Sorry.
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Keith BroadersI have been a faithful member of the Church for over 30 years. My faith in the leadership of the Chu
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Ann WasikI was raised Catholic, switched to non-denominational Christianity, have been intrigued with Mormoni
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rIt is impossible for church members who are not from the US, to understand this, but make no mistake
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Jeffrey ElliottWhat is the problem? The short answer should be nothing! Is this designed to embarass the "Mormon" C
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darkstingervowOk so maybe the world ends in 2012, or at least western culture.. its doesn't matter if your morom o
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Steven EliesonAn appeal to LDS patriots in Utah I am active LDS and living in Central California. I am also a memb
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Peter ChallisMy missionaries in South Africa were Sisters Mary Joe Hoffman and Jayne Bradshaw. I sure would like
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Arthur WhittakerI think that you have to look at the big picture and not concentrate only on the WTC. There were oth
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Huh?To answer the original question, the church doesn't excommunication Reid because it's not a wise mov
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PenWell, I do believe he has now stepped over the line and into apostasy, but that is not for me to dec
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NathanJeremy - sometimes God justifies wars for various reasons. In the Book of Mormon the Nephites went t
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JamesI think you left out the fact that you are crazy. If you went to a Mayan-speaking community and aske
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NevadanI have just one more thing to say. If a Mormon does not follow specific direct council from their Pr
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DaveThis is 2009, the home foreclosure problem is going to get worse in 2010 and 2011. I'm debt free now
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Mario GeorgievWe LDS Church is not fastest growing religion neither fastest growing Christian religion. So, what?
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Jack's LiverFor a little background - I grew up in the church, my ancestors converted close to the beginning (in
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BigDaveI don't believe all those statistics published by the church for there are more than one questions a
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BarbHi Barbara, I was fortunate to be your nurse in post partum when your last 2 children were born. Hop
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Lucas Hobbsway cool! althoguh i heard the church was the fastest growing religion, i think thats still really a
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STTIf we believe that the head of the church is Jesus Christ and the prophet is inspired by the Holy Sp
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SarahI like many Mormons, but I don't understand the contradiction between the agency claim, and Mormon o
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ABRanteweiaI truly believe that Mitt Romney will be the most candidates among others. Why and how, simply becau
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daveescapedSeriously? I read this post waiting for it to become apparent that this was just a farce or satire.
- Wilford Woodruff | History of Mormonism[...] For more information on the Mormon Church please see the following websites: Mormon Church [..
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- James E. Faust | History of Mormonism[...] Cottonwood Stake. James has served in numerous callings throughout his life. His loyalty to th
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david jenkinsIF ye are prepared ye shall not fear The days of tribulation are certainly upon us and worse it is g
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KameronCorrelation does not equal causation, but correlation does suggest causation. I don't think it's fai
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InnocentiousI imagine this post is fairly dead but I found it and will write what I feel. As far as tattoos go,
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chriswhat about the blackspots in the sun that will send hot waves to earth and will destroy our satellit
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CynistSacrifice your own political interest is the key to promote righteousness. Basic. Just to end the is
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Robert G. NielsonThrough some strange pathways and heartfelt study ,meditation, and prayer I've come to a spot where
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Jose Rizalmaybe all mayans just stopped the prediction til 2012, because they got tired or a tragedy happened
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MichaelWhat are peoples opinions on getting the fluorescent tattoos that are not visibly with normal light
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arturohi I´m from mexico, sorry for my english. Pdte hinckley talked about Pharoah’s dream of 7 years of p
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ViVa eL cHeI don't know how active this page is but I was Googling Mormon's attitudes towards tattoos and well,
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AVDSPMAs an active LDS member, I ponder at times the verses in the Book of Mormon regarding the population
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Phil S.Like many in biblical and Book of Mormon times those who received their 20 pieces of silver will hav
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Dr. DougMy great grandmother (Phoebe Elizabeth Smith) was a 5th cousin of Joseph Smith, Jr. She said that th
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Al RowleyJae. You challenge Patriot's opinion that Islam is evil. You say you don't know if the Islamists are
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CamillaThak you so much for this post. I am a brazilian member of the Church of Jesus Christ and I´m so hap
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Tylor YoungLDS members always give me a hard time trying to understand them when it come to immigration and imm
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JasonI know from God that Joseph was a prophet. I know from God that the church is true. That doesn't pre
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RayI am amazed at the time spent by people to try and show the growth or lack of to mean anything but e
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acriticalchristian1971Hi there... Im just gonna be truthful with ya pal... Im not gonna agree with you on LDS theology. An
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DavidI would love to hear from LDS Patriots. I was raised in the church and heard that joseph said when t
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Steve MI am convinced that Harry Reid is one of the "grievous wolves" that have been entering into the floc
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samThanks!! i needed something 2 say at my mom's baptism!
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HyrumHarry Reid is a despicable human being and should not be allowed to stand within the ranks of the El
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Sarah OlsenNEIL S! I love you! I think I just get tired of hearing everyone cast judgements on others. I'm tire
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Bart TippettsMy friends, If non LDS were reading this blog it would be an embarrasment for missonary work.
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SydThe Lord told Joseph that the Constitution was an inspired document. Separation of Church and State
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RickAaron, You are kidding - right? Please tell me that you are, because if your comment is actually a r
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Troy"Hey- we didn't "take over Iran" yet!".... Does this mean that it is not going to happen?
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BradThats Great! It's God's Work! Philippines CLCLDS bloom!
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JakeWe'll all be perfected in the end anyways won't we? And doesn't that mean tattoos gone? I've never s
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JohnIT ends December 21st. It is all about the Winter Solstice, which happens to be the 21st that year.
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NeilSMaybe I have misunderstood the teachings from the last twenty-eight years of my life, but is one of
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AshleeI was just baptized into the Church a couple of months ago, and I'm having trouble grasping this who
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Portiadownright mean* . . . EDIT: *they sound
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- Site mostly up! | Mormon Youth[...] something we have one day and then have pure and strong forever. Like much in the gospel, it’s
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Neb Mits funny how everyone has their own assumptions of Islam. First Muslims are called terrorists and n
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AGPTo John M. Anderson Dear Mr. Anderson, I am interested in your story as an officer in the Green Bere
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AaronJust a few thoughts, Could the Lord be the one that has slowed down Church growth, for a combination
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thunderstruck680for number 8. I have found sources on google that show UN involvement in all of the listed disputes.
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MichaelI thought I would share this quote by Hinckley which I think sums up his misunderstandings of things
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TimothyI think Senator Reid is a fine man and Senator that works to better the lives of working class peopl
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Kirk NitzHow much blood has been spilt and will be spilled because Harry Reid and his ilk. God will judge Geo
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bethinteresting..... i realise i'm commenting this almost 3 years after this was written. but you should
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Lance J.Yo! This is from David Rockefellers book. “We are grateful for the Washington Post, the New York Tim
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Rochelle BeachHi it is time to stop debating we need to be activly engaged in overturning the Federal Reserve Act
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SteveOh! The Republicans are evil! What a load of whiney-glutamous maximus excuses for Harry Reid not to
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josephI am trying to find out if any of the early Mormon leaders had jewish ancestors. Thank you
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idellaclethx for links;)
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Tattoo BettyAre tattoo artists and tattooed people truly unwelcome in the House of the Lord? I had considered co
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Kevin BatesGod's knowing what we will choose does not mean that we know what we will choose. Nor does it mean t
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CoreyWhile it's true that we do not know the day that he will come, what most members of the church are f
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obbopThe American people have paid too high of a price for the presence of the UN within our borders. At
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nathan millwardI would like to state something on this matter; yes one day the LDS church will have great leaders i
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gkcYou need to read "Lost Star" before you comment on 2012.
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clarkI am one of the RARE people out there who spent two years believing the conspiracy theories about 91
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MargaretI really don't think it's too right to predict when things might happen. It's true, things have gott
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Brian MainIf we are to combat terrorism we must first understand Islam. In what background have terrorists evo
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chadThe Bible tells us that we will not know the time, so for us to think we can figure it out in goofy.
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