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Comment on On the TERFs in our midst by Gender Critical Feminism, the roots of Radical Feminism and Trans oppression | The TransAdvocate
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Fri, 09 Jan 2015 04:38:30 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?p=202#comment-88[…] The GCF/TERF movement has begun forcibly injecting itself into trans-inclusive spaces. […]
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Comment on On the TERFs in our midst by Jessica
https://afem2014.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/on-the-terfs-in-our-midst/comment-page-1/#comment-75
Sat, 13 Dec 2014 02:20:06 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?p=202#comment-75Luz, you fail to seem concerned with what the bigot did and more concerned that the bigot gets a venue to spread more hate. And Doxxing, seriously? How about all the Doxxing the TERF’s do to Trans women in an attempt to destroy their lives? Even going so far as to Doxx children.
You do need to rethink your priorities.
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Comment on On the TERFs in our midst by Marti386
https://afem2014.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/on-the-terfs-in-our-midst/comment-page-1/#comment-73
Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:05:44 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?p=202#comment-73In reply to Lisa-Marie.
“I would like a right to reply to be offered to the feminist that you have named here. Naming in this way is entirely unacceptable, especially when there are very different sides to this story”
Look, can we just knock it off with this shit already? There is NO “different side” to this story. None whatsoever.
Gail and her cohorts LIED about their beliefs and intentions to get into this conference. They KNEW full well that this was a safe space for trans women, and they didn’t give a fuck. They were asked to leave and they refused. They were rude, obnoxious and disgusting. Just like the entire TERF movement. If this was you’re attempt to show the world that the TERF movement isn’t dominated by a bunch of paranoid, delusional assholes, congratulations. You failed big time.
Gail made her reply when she disrupted a trans inclusive event in order to be a jerk.
Seriously, you jokers need to grow the fuck up.
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Comment on The conference by Margo Allen
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Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:11:24 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?page_id=175#comment-72Link posted regarding terfs disruptive outbusts at seminar. My question, what is anarchfeminism? Terf have become an issue in the US as transfolk advocate for human rights. So my interest lies in feminism and threads of it from the 1960’s on up to today. Any links to reading materials send to margo.allen@ymail.com
No hurry! Thank you.
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Comment on On the TERFs in our midst by setatimmi
https://afem2014.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/on-the-terfs-in-our-midst/comment-page-1/#comment-66
Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:54:03 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?p=202#comment-66In reply to setatimmi.
Bluntly: no, I don’t think “accountability” in this sense requires giving someone the space to take up some of our organisational space, when (a) they disagree with our fundamental organising principles (b) one of the central problems was that they’ve already taken up far too much of our space.
You’re not really engaging with what I said at all. As I said, if you really think that the main aim now is “give Gail more space” rather than “work to repair the wounds and hurt that Gail caused to multiple event attendees”, then your priorities are bad.
Also, on a technical note:
(1) Calling this a “witch hunt” is pretty hilarious though – we didn’t seek this out, remember, Gail seems to have intentionally come to the event to be disruptive.
(2) this isn’t “doxxing”. We didn’t scour the internet for juicy personal tidbits about her. Literally all we did was put Gail’s full name in a piece, just like lots of other things that Gail has done before online – the only difference being that we were critical of Gail’s actions. So sorry, but no.
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Comment on On the TERFs in our midst by Luz
https://afem2014.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/on-the-terfs-in-our-midst/comment-page-1/#comment-64
Wed, 19 Nov 2014 02:15:41 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?p=202#comment-64In reply to setatimmi.
Well, to be honest, I’m afraid of *exactly* people like you doing *exactly* things like this, which is why I myself rarely go to feminist events. To hold someone accountable for their actions also requires that they be allowed to defend themselves from those accusations — not to do so looks an awful lot like a witchhunt, which is what your reply does seem to suggest, even more than the original post. Of course it makes sense not to organise anything further with people with whom you’ve had difficulty in the past, even for the organising collective to remove or deny someone entry to your events (though I do strongly feel such decisions should be unanimous). But that’s very different from trying to ostracise someone from the entirety of feminist activism.
As for bigotry, I prioritise constructive dialogue above all — yes, even with those with whom I vehemently disagree. Otherwise we’re just going to keep going around in circles and the divisions that tore feminism apart in the 1980s are going to tear us apart again. We’ve got to figure out more constructive ways of dealing with our differences than pointing fingers and saying ‘don’t talk to so-and-so, she’s this-or-that’. And I have to wonder why this had to be done via a global forum so it will come up whenever someone searches for either the person or those organisations, forever. Women attacking other women via the internet — particularly by using their personal identifying information — is indeed something I find horrifying and if you don’t, I would wonder about your priorities…it’s called doxxing, and it’s one of the main tools men use to silence women for saying things they don’t like (google Gamergate if you’re not sure what I’m talking about).
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Comment on On the TERFs in our midst by setatimmi
https://afem2014.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/on-the-terfs-in-our-midst/comment-page-1/#comment-63
Tue, 18 Nov 2014 22:53:57 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?p=202#comment-63In reply to Luz.
Three reasons we named Gail:
(1) we named the person that was widely considered to be the central bigot of the day. We didn’t name the others involved bcs the following point doesn’t really apply to them
(2) we named Gail largely bcs she is so central in other anarchist/feminist organising. we named her because many supporters/attendees at AFem want to specifically avoid her in the future, which is also why we listed her affiliations.
(3) we named Gail bcs this isn’t just for the people that came to AFem2014. lots of trans women specifically didn’t come because they were scared of *exactly* people like Gail making the event a hostile space for trans women. this is to let them know what happened and what we’ve done about it, bcs even though they didn’t come, they’re still super important to AFem as a project
Three other things:
(4) our aim isn’t to “shame” Gail. it’s accountability. don’t want people being tools at our events and letting them go off and be tools at other events.
(5) I’ll name myself if you want. I’m Sam. hi.
(6) if you really think that *this* is what’s horrifying – naming a bigot – rather than the actual bigotry, then you’ve gotta re-evaluate your priorities.
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Comment on On the TERFs in our midst by Luz
https://afem2014.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/on-the-terfs-in-our-midst/comment-page-1/#comment-62
Tue, 18 Nov 2014 22:41:35 +0000https://afem2014.wordpress.com/?p=202#comment-62Can I just ask why you see fit to name one person in this manner on your blog, but not name any of the other participants or identify yourself? Surely if this post is meant to clarify something for those who were there, everyone knows who you’re talking about; there’s no need to name unless you expressly want to shame someone, which seems to be your intent. Why isn’t it enough to just say what you want to say, and let the person in question decide whether or not she wants to speak up. Naming one single person ON THE DAMN INTERNET — where there are more than enough attacks against women who hold opinions others think are wrong — as if this hasn’t been an issue for as long as transwomen have existed is just inexcusable. I *agree* with your position that transwomen shouldn’t be excluded from women’s spaces, but I’m absolutely horrified by the way you’ve chosen to defend that position by attacking another woman in such a vindictive and public manner. That is not what feminism — or anarchism, for that matter — is about.
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Comment on Event Outline by Afem | Love Sex Hate Sexism
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Comment on Event Outline by Love Sex Hate Sexism
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