Minutes from 2008-04-01 telecon

• From: Sini, Margherita (KCEW) <Margherita.Sini@fao.org>
• Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:30:39 +0200
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Hi all,
The minutes [1] from yesterday's telecon are now online for review.  A text
copy follows.
[1] https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html
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SWD WG      01 Apr 2008
Agenda <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0093.html>
[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0093.html]
See also: IRC log <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-irc>
[https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-irc]
Attendees
	Present
		Ralph, Marghe, Tom_Baker, qreul, Alistair, EdSu, DLRubin,
JonP, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, berrueta, Ben_Adida, 	Elisa_Kendall
	Regrets
		Sean, Vit, Simone
	Chair
		Tom Baker
	Scribe
		Margherita Sini
Contents
*	Topics <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#agenda>  
1.	ADMIN <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item01> 
2.	SKOS primer <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item02> 
3.	SKOS Reference <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item03>
4.	Relationships between labels
<https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item04> 
5.	"Open" SKOS Issues
<https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item05> 
6.	RDFa <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item06> 
7.	RECIPES <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item07> 
8.	F2F Meeting <https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item09> 
9.	VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
<https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#item10> 
*	Summary of Action Items
<https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#ActionSummary> 
  _____  
<scribe> Scribe: Margherita Sini
<scribe> Scribenick: marghe
Previous: https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html
ADMIN
Tom: Summertime started --> back to usual time
... March 18 conference: propose to accept
no objections
RESOLUTION: Minutes from March 18 accepted.
<scribe> ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until
July 1st [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
Tom: Face-to-face meeting
... looks is Washington a good choice except for Alistar
... so maybe better in Europe?
... we come back to that later
SKOS primer
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on
relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence
w/r/t subclass [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
SKOS Reference
Tom: raised issues regarding NL definition
... if SKOS no use NL --> join 2005 definition?
Alistar: on one hand having short definition is good for translation ...
however no in the current skos because need revision (?) ... maybe we can add
2005 definition ... wonder if we can put the NL definition as comments?
Tom: possible to move NL def to primer?
Alistar: same challenge...
Antoine: will be the same problem
... if we agree we can use old definitions
<edsu> david booth's email ->
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0047.html
Tom: i prefere to have definitions so seems an editorial / technical issue
... short definitions like owl has no per-term definitions. Can we have an
agreement ?
<aliman> I think tom said owl has *no* per-term definitions
<Guus> sorry, seem to be muted
<Guus> one sec
??: in favour of description of short paragraph with one example
scribe: including definition
Alistar: in addition to the text of the reference will have a RDFS comment /
URI
<TomB> Guus: we threw out the "comments" in OWL
<TomB> ...would be in favor of putting short descriptions into an appendix
<TomB> Alistair: rdfs:comment is an annotation property in OWL
<TomB> Alistair: agrees with Guus that schema is for a machine so doesn't
really need comments
<TomB> Alistair: Guus says we can have links to fragment identifiers
Tom: are we in agreement? or should we have an issue?
<Guus> yes, link to frag id of the definition
short text is necessary but point is where to put it?
Alistar: I support multilinguality possiblities
<scribe> ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs
isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action05]
Relationships between labels
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine will review Alistair's proposals w/r/t the
relationship between the existing solution and the extension [CONTINUES]
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
"Open" SKOS Issues
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 [CONTINUES]
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to review Antoine and Guus' emails to move ISSUE-71
and -74 [CONTINUES] [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action09]
Alistar: due to multiple dimension ...
<edsu> Graham Klyne's comments ->
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0092.html
<Ralph> Comment on OWL formalism used in SKOS core
<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0092.html>
[Graham Klyne 2008-03-31]
RDFa
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action07]
Ben: implementation report easy to put it together
... primer is going to be put together, revised approach--> keep it simple,
draft in the wiki ... got a review from yahoo ... got good comments, no
significant change
RECIPES
<edsu> benadida, have you seen the recent tag minutes re: CURIE?
<scribe> ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate Recipes examples for w3c
site [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE]
Diego?: will be good have a uri containing the date? to have examples
consistent with the document
<JonP> https://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/recipes/examples/
agreed in principle
Diego: changes will effect this files
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior"
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes
implementations] [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Recipes editors to clarify and write some sentences for the
title that spells out points Ed made for .htaccess and Apache [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action13] [CONTINUES]
Jon?: plan a new editor draft release today
scribe: should we wait we solve other issues first?
Diego: prefer wait a week, to fix typos, etc.
F2F Meeting
<Ralph> May F2F poll results
<https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/FTF-May-2008-poll/results> 
<Guus> availability of key editors
<Guus> ?
Tom: problem of a US f-2-f meeting is Alistar participation
<Guus> alistair, antoine, ed, sean
Tom: but can join remotely
<Guus> alistair has to be there, I think, in person
<Ralph> Ralph: yes, having Alistair in person seems critical to me
Alistair: Sean cannot make that week
Alistar: telecon may be one option
<Guus> if sean cannot make it, alistair has to be there in person
Tom: EU option for 6-7 are reasonable, but 7-8 only few people can be there
<Guus> I propose Tue-Wed 6-7 in A'dam
Tom: Amsterdam Tuesd + wed seems better than 7-8
Alistar: will look for US feasibility
<Guus> let's decide 6-7, venue either Adam or Wash
<Guus> we should fix at least the date
Clay and Jon cannot do Amsterdam (?)
decision: 6-7 Amsterdam ?
<Guus> first pref Washinton, 2nd pref A'dam
Tom: either Amst or Wash on 6-7
<Guus> [alistair: US is very cheap now :-)]
Jon, Ralph and Clay no in Amsterdam --> pref. remote or in person Alistar in
Wash
<Guus> Propose to fix date 6-7
<Guus> agre with Tom
RESOLUTION: F-2-F meeting dates will be 6-7
VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
Tom: last week 2 reviewers (Diego and Marc)
<Guus> [i'm calling Mark now]
Ton: we need Marc review as well
... in terms of process will be good to have signs at f-2-f meeting
<edsu> aliman: not sure if it'll make any difference but BWI is a possible
destination airport for DC area
Elisa: can go in W'ton 6-7
... hard if Am'dam
<Guus> mark has agreed
Elisa: can do remotely in Am'dam
<Guus> hopefully in a week; t most 2 weeks
RESOLUTION: Mark will do the review
<Guus> [sry, have to go]
Elisa: situation is good
<Ralph> ACTION: Guus to ask Mark van Assem to review VM Editor's Draft
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action17] [DONE]
<TomB> [thanks Guus]
Elisa: will appreciate attention to v1.1
... is time for other people to have a look
Tom: meeting adjourned.
<Ralph> Elisa: for those who care about OWL Full -- and I think this WG does
-- it's time to look more closely at the OWL WG
Summary of Action Items
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on
relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Antoine will review Alistair's proposals w/r/t the
relationship between the existing solution and the extension [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to review Antoine and Guus' emails to move
ISSUE-71 and -74 [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until
July 1st [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and
equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior"
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs
isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded
in https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes
implementations] [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[PENDING] ACTION: Recipes editors to clarify and write some sentences for the
title that spells out points Ed made for .htaccess and Apache [recorded in
https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html#action04]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate Recipes examples for w3c
site [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to ask Mark van Assem to review VM Editor's Draft
[recorded in https://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action17]
 
[End of minutes] 

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