HTTP/2 200 date: Sat, 11 Oct 2025 14:59:41 GMT content-length: 6325 cf-ray: 98cf39033b4fa9b7-BLR last-modified: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:04:44 GMT etag: "18b5-4bd56f51d0700" cache-control: max-age=21600 expires: Sat, 11 Oct 2025 20:59:41 GMT x-backend: www-mirrors x-request-id: 98cf39033b4fa9b7 strict-transport-security: max-age=15552000; includeSubdomains; preload content-security-policy: frame-ancestors 'self' https://cms.w3.org/ https://cms-dev.w3.org/; upgrade-insecure-requests cf-cache-status: BYPASS accept-ranges: bytes set-cookie: __cf_bm=7Hx1Lav0mR0bearphsJ6A48knbN4HB.UE5xwKx4EGn0-1760194781-1.0.1.1-ZldV1T3QgABqh4socepuqedu491uNdEYvcOxyhJdAxRgPQNJ.hj34fw4NneCAkguQhTLToA5UTexjjNqiGRXasPKxv6_TuwoR42epb6g.cQ; path=/; expires=Sat, 11-Oct-25 15:29:41 GMT; domain=.w3.org; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None vary: Accept-Encoding server: cloudflare alt-svc: h3=":443"; ma=86400 13:57:51 RRSAgent has joined #xproc 13:57:51 logging to https://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-xproc-irc 13:58:21 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 13:58:21 Meeting: XML Processing Model WG 13:58:21 Date: 5 April 2012 13:58:21 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/04/05-agenda 13:58:21 Meeting: 211 13:58:22 Chair: Norm 13:58:24 Scribe: Norm 13:58:26 ScribeNick: Norm 13:59:08 zakim, passcode? 13:59:19 zakim, this will be xproc 13:59:21 sorry, Norm, I don't know what conference this is 13:59:31 ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 13:59:40 zakim, passcode? 13:59:40 the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm 14:01:05 zakim, who's here? 14:01:05 XML_PMWG()10:00AM has not yet started, Norm 14:01:07 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Norm, jfuller, Liam, caribou 14:01:49 Regrets: Vojtech, Cornelia 14:02:21 Present: Norm, Murray, Jim 14:02:53 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Apr/att-0005/WD-xproc-requirements-20120401.html 14:04:35 ht has joined #xproc 14:04:43 Present: Norm, Murray, Jim, Henry 14:04:48 alexmilowski has joined #xproc 14:04:54 zakim, who's here? 14:05:20 Present: Norm, Murray, Jim, Henry, Alex 14:05:40 XML_PMWG()10:00AM has not yet started, Norm 14:06:21 On IRC I see alexmilowski, ht, RRSAgent, Zakim, Norm, jfuller, Liam, caribou 14:06:38 Topic: Accept this agenda? 14:06:38 -> https://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/04/05-agenda 14:06:44 Accepted. 14:06:51 Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting? 14:06:51 -> https://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/03/15-minutes 14:07:24 Accepted. 14:07:41 Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 12 April 2012 14:07:43 No regrets heard 14:07:54 Topic: Review of action items 14:08:21 No progress reported. All actions continued. Except Murray's :-) 14:08:40 Topic: Use cases and requirements for V.next 14:08:50 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Apr/att-0005/WD-xproc-requirements-20120401.html 13:58:26 ScribeNick: ht 14:09:36 MM: Alex M's draft from 4/06 14:09:43 ... Some of the content is moved around abit 14:10:03 ... Some stuff from the Wiki moved in to the introduction 14:10:20 ... Added annotation to each use-case/req'd to identify their state 14:10:27 ... So that we can do an audit 14:10:36 NW: Two comments 14:11:03 ... 1) Now that we have a document, it should be the location of record for Vnext use cases and req'ts 14:11:20 JF: Should we in fact close off the wiki? 14:11:42 NW: Not necessary, although put something at the top pointing to this doc't ASAP 14:11:52 JF: I was worried about synchronisation 14:12:20 NW: 2) There are use cases which we have satisfied, and those should not show up 14:12:44 ... Either via annotation and stylesheet or by just deleting 14:13:09 AM: Do we see this as a Vnext-only requirements doc't, or an update to the old one? 14:13:35 NW: Could go either way 14:13:54 AM: I'd like to at least clean up, or even get rid of, some of the early use cases, e.g. from me 14:14:04 ... At very least don't make sense 'as is' 14:14:38 NW: We could be _really_ good and include XProc pipelines that show how we satisfied the old ones 14:15:16 NW: What I really care about is distinguishing old from new, so we see what we really have to work on 14:15:30 AM: I completely agree 14:15:54 MM: Yes, the old stuff is there so we can do the audit 14:16:09 AM: Is this all of the old ones? 14:16:33 MM: Yes -- I started from the old source to do this, didn't remove anythihg 14:16:40 s/anythihg/anything/ 14:17:09 JF: I think doing a case-by-case audit is a good idea 14:17:17 NM: On telcon, or offline? 14:17:18 Hmm… having trouble with T-mobile … no signal at all. :( 14:17:35 MM: I anticipated doing it offline 14:18:05 MM: I was hoping AM would make a pass 14:18:18 HST: Note that AM has lost audio 14:18:23 MM: I'll speak to him later 14:19:03 NM: Right, so would everyone please have a go at reviewing the use cases, and if appropriate drafting an XProc snippets 14:19:13 AM: I will have a look when I can, and work with MM 14:19:43 AM: What I'm missing is what we've agreed about the primary goals of Vnext 14:20:05 ACTION: NM to find the discussion of goals in the minutes and distill some prose for use in the Reqts Doc 14:21:01 AM: Do we want to divy up the use cases 14:21:03 ? 14:21:33 NM: My thought was that we would give people a week to read this, and then decide on tactics 14:22:14 AM: We did go over the req't doc for V1 -- did the outcome of that review turn up in the test suite? 14:22:33 NM: In some cases, but there is no metadata which records that fact 14:22:51 JF: Add tests to the test suite as we articulate new req'ts? 14:23:02 AM: Could be difficult, e.g. for DB access 14:23:11 JF: Test could be informal 14:23:44 AM: I'd think the new req'ts docs is the right place for informal/prose test cases 14:23:57 ... Indeed they are important, and need to be in the doc 14:24:31 NM: So yes, that argues for leaving the old ones in, as long as their state (solved, won't fix, etc.) is easily evident 14:25:33 AM: What happened with our charter renewal? 14:26:11 NM: LQ has made a draft, I've reviewed it, it started up the chain, we will get it again 14:26:18 AM: Hiccup? 14:26:46 NM: Yes, but resolved -- we will be rechartered to do a VNext if the req'ts review says we need one 14:29:12 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 14:29:13 If only the w3c didn't use CVS 14:29:14 :) 14:29:18 rrsagent draft-minutes 14:29:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:29:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-xproc-minutes.html Norm 14:38:50 ht has joined #xproc 15:13:07 Norm has joined #xproc 16:30:41 Zakim has left #xproc