HTTP/2 200 date: Wed, 08 Oct 2025 04:50:46 GMT content-type: text/plain content-length: 2759 cf-ray: 98b304edfe9fc1ce-BLR content-location: 26-rqtf-irc.txt vary: negotiate,accept,accept-charset,Accept-Encoding,Origin tcn: choice last-modified: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:49:54 GMT etag: "1b3d-601641f50a480;6053085df7f95 cache-control: max-age=21600 expires: Wed, 08 Oct 2025 10:50:46 GMT content-encoding: gzip access-control-allow-origin: * x-backend: www-mirrors x-request-id: 98b304edfe9fc1ce strict-transport-security: max-age=15552000; includeSubdomains; preload content-security-policy: frame-ancestors 'self' https://cms.w3.org/ https://cms-dev.w3.org/; upgrade-insecure-requests cf-cache-status: BYPASS accept-ranges: bytes set-cookie: __cf_bm=eRcsFBAUnwG5Tz8RYjfpTxcUdmcm8VTzTmLC2eREDls-1759899046-1.0.1.1-0KiB5DHWHbM0yCIibgjK.Fnhqyvg4r5OrY.94.x2.Xs_0..UvTLxMD1gthMMF367AY06A9Q0J6.jxZi49lwxT2o9k8E9UHn1VMpasnqBWMI; path=/; expires=Wed, 08-Oct-25 05:20:46 GMT; domain=.w3.org; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None server: cloudflare alt-svc: h3=":443"; ma=86400 12:09:16 RRSAgent has joined #rqtf 12:09:20 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-rqtf-irc 12:09:20 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:09:51 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw 12:09:52 present+ 12:09:52 chair: jasonjgw 12:09:52 scribe+ 12:09:52 agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. 12:09:52 agenda+ Media accessibility: update and planning. 12:09:52 agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics. 12:53:57 janina has joined #rqtf 12:55:56 JPaton has joined #rqtf 12:57:33 scott_h has joined #rqtf 13:00:44 zakim, next item 13:00:44 agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:01:16 present+ 13:01:16 present+ 13:01:20 scribe+ 13:01:27 Roy has joined #rqtf 13:01:34 present+ John_Paton 13:01:36 present+ 13:02:24 subtopic: Lisa's Email about Communications 13:02:28 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jul/0018.h 13:03:26 Janina notes Scott's remarks on the use of color to convey information in the COGA comments. 13:04:05 scott_h: Coloring clearly shows, but didn't work for my high-contrast scheme 13:04:55 scott_h: Caught the initial "COGA" numbering may have dropped in the "download into Microsoft Word" 13:05:17 scott_h: Couldn't figure out where the GOGA comment ended 13:05:51 janina: Perhaps also noting "END COGA Comment" 13:07:26 jasonjgw: Seems they might not have used the comment feature in Google Docs? That would have trasferred to Word. Libreoffice, Pages, would still show up as comments 13:07:44 jasonjgw: Would also show where the comments start and end 13:09:47 scott_h: Had to resort to a colleague's assistance, still difficult to tease out; though definitely easier 13:10:01 scott_h: We're still not to a clean "copy and paste into github" state 13:10:10 scott_h: Still interpretation required 13:10:33 rrsagent, make minutes 13:10:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-rqtf-minutes.html janina 13:11:11 subtopic: Substance of COGA Comments 13:11:26 janina: Noting COGA hasn't finished on this 13:11:38 scott_h: My feedback just initial and my perspective 13:12:08 scott_h: Much of it very useful; particularly adding a summary--though how that should work is a question to consider 13:12:44 scott_h: Like summary very much; hoping AI can help 13:13:11 jasonjgw: Agree comments very interesting 13:13:34 jasonjgw: Concerned scope not addressed; some would apply to document editing and beyond 13:13:47 jasonjgw: Creation of summaries can apply to docs, but also web pages, etc 13:14:11 jasonjgw: CTAUR is scoped to editing environments, and the COGA comments exceed this scope 13:14:26 jasonjgw: So, yes the comments are useful, but we can't use them in CTAUR 13:14:50 jasonjgw: If COGA wants to argue for a wider scope, that should be explicitly addressed 13:15:11 jasonjgw: On the other hand there may be creative ways to rework the comments into what would fit the doc 13:15:19 jasonjgw: Summary is a good example 13:15:52 jasonjgw: But in collaborative environment one might need to be more specific, e.g. while editing is in process auto generated summaries should be available on some time interval 13:16:28 jasonjgw: So, we want to ask COGA to consider how to work their thoughts into scope--or redefine scope with us 13:17:51 scott_h: Agree re scope; and summary does provide a good example of scope creep 13:19:07 jasonjgw: As the comments stand, some we would rule out of scope, others we'd need to work on a way to bring them into scope, others are clearly relevant 13:20:37 janina: Also, there's no explicit explanation of why github is so hard for COGA people to use 13:20:53 janina: Notes we consider github a collaborative environment, and very much in scope of CTAUR 13:21:13 janina: We expressly want COGA to explain their issues with git (and github) 13:21:46 jasonjgw: It's notable there are multiple interfaces into github, including editing environments that take care of github on the back end 13:22:08 jasonjgw: There are so many different ways of dealing with github, not just the default browser 13:22:51 jasonjgw: Having multiple interfaces into the same tool seems so accessibility friendly that it's critical for us to investigate and comment on the strenghts and challenges for different accessibility users 13:23:53 janina: Noting it's also not a binary. It's not just browser or CLI; there are other tools that help one edit and handle the editing and the github push 13:29:37 zakim, next item 13:29:37 agendum 2 -- Media accessibility: update and planning. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:30:07 jasonjgw: Looked at issues recorded from MEIG 13:30:17 jasonjgw: Link in this meeting's agenda ... 13:30:32 jasonjgw: We've discussed most, at least to a degree 13:30:51 jasonjgw: All useful and relevant, and we can get into github at some point 13:33:16 jasonjgw: Notes some environments left builtin a11y and are now retrenching because it didn't work out for them to reinvent all of a11y 13:33:28 jasonjgw: Good luck relying to reinvent a11y in canvas 13:37:21 jasonjgw: Attended a conference, will need to find link, but it was noted the major tech names were doing quite well for a11y, but beyond them there's a rapid and steep decline in quality 13:39:42 jasonjgw: Expertise in using available tools is highly concentrated, also the ones driving the standards; everyone else is lacking 13:40:00 zakim, next item 13:40:00 agendum 3 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:40:36 janina: We expect Raja back, as he said he'd be back in August 13:40:42 Roy: Will followup 13:41:23 janina: Expect to be here all of August 13:45:22 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Jul/ 13:45:39 janina: CfC ends midnight Boston time Friday 28 July 13:47:20 zakim, end meeting 13:47:20 As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, scott_h, John_Paton, Roy 13:47:22 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 13:47:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim 13:47:29 I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. 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