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15:59:56 RRSAgent has joined #swd
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16:00:01 rrsagent, bookmark
16:00:01 See https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-00-01
16:00:06 zakim, this will be swd
16:00:08 ok, Tom, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
16:00:11 meeting: SWD WG
16:00:14 Chair: Tom
16:00:51 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0044.html
16:00:52 Previous: https://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html
16:00:57 +Ralph
16:01:17 zakim, who's on the call?
16:01:17 On the phone I see [LC], ??P11, [LC.a], Ralph
16:01:22 Regrets: Elisa
16:01:27 zakim, ??p11 is Tom
16:01:27 +Tom; got it
16:01:30 rrsagent, please make record public
16:01:34 zakim, lc.a is Ed
16:01:34 +Ed; got it
16:01:36 zakim, LC is Clay
16:01:36 +Clay; got it
16:01:54 Antoine has joined #swd
16:01:58 scribenick: Clay
16:02:01 scribe: Clay
16:02:19 + +39.065.7.aaaa
16:02:30 +[LC]
16:02:32 +??P30
16:03:05 berrueta has joined #swd
16:03:06 +Antoine_Isaac
16:03:14 Guus has joined #swd
16:04:16 zakim, aaaa is Margherita
16:04:16 +Margherita; got it
16:04:33 zakim, [lc] is Justin
16:04:33 +Justin; got it
16:05:18 +[VrijeUni]
16:05:34 Regrets+ Jon
16:05:52 Tom welcomes Margherita Sini from FAO
16:05:54 Tom: welcomes Margherita Sini
16:06:12 vit has joined #SWD
16:06:22 -> https://www.fao.org/ UN Food and Agriculture Organization
16:06:28 Margherita: From FAO, Food and Agriculture Org. of the UN
16:06:47 https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/#UC-Aims links to the AIMS project / Agrovoc
16:06:49 q+
16:06:56 ack guus
16:06:58 ... looking at SKOS for services for their users
16:07:27 Regrets+ Ben, Simone, Quentin, Diego
16:07:41 Topic: Admin
16:07:43 seanb has joined #swd
16:08:04 PROPOSED to accept minutes of the Dec 04 telecon:
16:08:07 https://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html
16:08:11 RESOLVED
16:08:37 Next telecon: 4 December 1600 UTC
16:08:43 +??P38
16:08:44 Topic: SKOS
16:08:47 hi all! it seems that i have some difficulties with phone, most likely due to recent office refurbishment...
16:09:04 zakim, ??P38 is seanb
16:09:04 +seanb; got it
16:09:25 i'll follow you on the irc at least...
16:09:45 ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:09:56 Antoine: hope to get caught up this week
16:10:35 s/Antoine/Alistair
16:10:47 or was it Sean?
16:10:58 --continues
16:11:05 ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
16:11:08 --continues
16:11:33 ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
16:11:36 --continues
16:12:48 ACTION: Antoine to come up with a revised Conceptual Mapping proposal based on the comments received [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:14:06 Antoine: (to Ed and Alistair) will handle integration of content
16:14:36 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0046.html
16:14:42 q+ to ask antoine to summarise recent discussion on mapping
16:16:27 Antoine: there has been a formal proposal to postpone to later re: semantic axioms, etc.
16:16:39 ... mapping links are restricted to skos:Concepts
16:17:08 ... updated discussion section to account for skos:exactMatch and about using one concept scheme
16:17:17 ack aliman
16:17:17 aliman, you wanted to ask antoine to summarise recent discussion on mapping
16:17:49 Alistair: Antoine, can you summarize the points being raised re: modifications to the proposal
16:18:47 Antoine: differences between overlapping match and relating match
16:19:10 Alistair: re: inexactMatch, what is difference between that and overlapping?
16:19:15 ACTION: Antoine to come up with a revised Conceptual Mapping proposal based on the comments received [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:19:17 -- done
16:19:32 --done
16:20:11 Alistair: wants to confirm that in new proposal that overlapping and deprecating inexactmathc
16:20:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:21:37 Alistair: re: extension module
16:22:20 ... has sketched out what the module what it would like. Might be able to continue on wihtout addressing labels as resources
16:22:34 ... extension might be published as another means later
16:22:42 ... but could be done now
16:23:19 ... possibly as a note by us or elsewhere
16:24:30 ... shall i take an action to sketch out the underlying issue for the WG to possibly consider as a resolution for inclusion?
16:25:39 Ed: are open issues in issue tracker, do those have to be closed? (re: labels as resources)
16:25:48 Tom: group needs to take a stand
16:26:42 Ralph: we will be judged at the time we go to last call and at time to request candidate recommendation. easiest way to track them is in the issues list, which is a combination of external comments and internal issues
16:27:01 ... should respond to external comments before proceeding to next level of maturity
16:27:13 Ed: Alistair's proposal is good then
16:28:12 Tom: propose action on Alistair to write up doc on extension and labels
16:29:27 q+ on formal treatment of current SKOS mapping proposal
16:29:28 ... not proposing a solution, but what is in scope for current work and an approach toward which can be done later in an extension
16:30:40 ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package.
16:31:58 q+ to say something about breaking up issue 39
16:32:26 ack ralph
16:32:35 Antoine: re: issue 39
16:32:40 ack aliman
16:32:40 aliman, you wanted to say something about breaking up issue 39
16:34:50 q+ to say about breaking up the issue 39
16:35:00 ack aliman
16:35:00 aliman, you wanted to say about breaking up the issue 39
16:35:56 marghe has joined #swd
16:36:00 zakim, pick a victim
16:36:00 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Margherita
16:36:03 zakim, pick a victim
16:36:03 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Antoine_Isaac
16:36:29 scribenick: antoine
16:37:09 q+ to say about breaking up the issue 39
16:37:29 Tom: comments of formal status wrt ISSUE-39 proposal?
16:37:41 Guus: there seems to be enough consensus
16:37:58 Tom: we can have a discussion on this and close the issue on next call
16:38:10 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0024.html
16:38:16 Alistair: I have something to say.
16:38:33 ... 3 independent topics of discussion
16:38:49 ... first is grouping constructs (39-A)
16:39:09 yes i am in favor of that
16:39:13 ... second is parallel vocabularies between semantic relations and mapping ones (39-B)
16:39:34 ... third is relatedMAtch vs overlappingMatch
16:39:44 ... (39-C)
16:40:32 Tom: Antoine willing to send a msg on the list saying that we will have discussion next week?
16:40:37 Antoine: OK
16:41:21 ACTION: Antoine to send a msg proposing a resolution for next week telecon on ISSUE-39 considering Alisatir's 3 subtopics
16:41:42 ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
16:41:46 -- CONTINUES
16:42:03 Alsiatir: clarification on where we are?
16:42:27 Guus: no commitment on whether SKOS concepts can be instances of OWL class
16:42:42 Alstair: point was on containment and inScheme
16:42:56 Guus: we need to revisit our decision
16:43:07 Alisatir: we would need this asap
16:43:29 ... we don't have much time before christmas
16:43:49 Tom: which decision do we need to revisit?
16:44:21 Alistair: the one according to which we would deprecate inScheme, replaced by isDefinedBy
16:44:32 ... there was discussion
16:44:55 ... problems wrt backward compatibility and isDefinedBy semantics
16:45:46 i think this was jon's email re inScheme? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0016.html
16:45:49 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html
16:46:17 Tom: would be helpful to have the reconstructed proposal
16:47:36 Antoine: I sent a mail about this, re-opening the issue
16:47:55 Alistair: we have to re-resolve it again
16:48:07 Tom: it would be nice to solve this next week
16:48:44 Alistair: Antoine's mail has a proposal in it
16:48:49 ... could be good enough
16:48:57 ... as a focus for decision
16:49:24 Tom: does the action on Ralph fit this?
16:50:02 Ralph: I can't say how it interacts
16:50:31 Alistair: Antoine's resolution does not prevent the use of isDefinedBy
16:50:52 Ralph: what I hoped to do was to research RDF core's notion of isDefinedBy semantics
16:51:15 Tom: 2 questions
16:51:26 ... first consider Antoine's proposal
16:51:39 ... then consider the use of isDefinedBy
16:52:53 ... can someone take an action to propose to discuss this issue on next telecon?
16:53:55 ACTION: Antoine to send a mail to the list so as to have a discussion on ISSUE-36 and isDefinedBy for next week's telecon
16:55:55 ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:56:00 -- CONTINUES
16:56:08 ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:56:11 -- CONTINUES
16:56:25 Topic: RDFa
16:56:50 ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document https://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
16:56:59 -- CONTINUES
16:57:07 ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
16:57:10 -- CONTINUES
16:57:18 ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki [https://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule] [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
16:57:21 -- CONTINUES
16:57:42 -Justin
16:57:52 ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to Sean Palmer's suggestion [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]
16:57:55 -- DONE
16:58:02 -> https://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html 2007-12-06 RDFa TF telecon
16:59:08 Ralph: the major issue is the interpretation of @instanceOf
16:59:21 ... there is a new proposal from Mark Birbeck
16:59:30 ... positive reviews by Ben
16:59:44 TOPIC: Receipes
17:00:00 Tom: I'd suggest that we move the actions
17:00:11 ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18]
17:00:14 -- CONTINUES
17:00:16 s/Receipes/Recipes/
17:01:12 ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes document. [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20]
17:01:17 -- DONE
17:02:37 ACTION: Ralph and Ed to review recipes document
17:03:03 Tom: the editors of recipes document need to send a note to the list
17:03:49 Ralph: yes
17:03:58 Tom: which status?
17:04:09 Ralph: still a WD
17:04:46 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23]
17:04:57 -- CONTINUES
17:05:01 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0057.html proposal for Wiki page for Recipes implementations
17:05:04 ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24]
17:05:07 -- CONTINUES
17:05:13 ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes] [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25]
17:05:16 -- CONTINUES
17:05:30 TOPIC: Voc management
17:05:34 ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
17:05:37 -- CONTINUES
17:06:05 Tom: meeting adjourned
17:06:27 Antoine: I'll be happy to draft the minutes for the web and listserv
17:06:35 zakim, list attendees
17:06:35 As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, Tom, Ed, Clay, +39.065.7.aaaa, alistair, Antoine_Isaac, Margherita, Justin, [VrijeUni], seanb
17:06:37 -seanb
17:06:40 rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:06:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html Ralph
17:06:45 seanb has left #swd
17:07:00 @ Clay: I'll be happy to accept!
17:07:12 Antoine, thank you for jumping in!
17:07:24 Clay, thank you for scribing!
17:07:43 Tom, Antoine: my apologies once again. Happy to help in the future.
17:07:59 -alistair
17:08:04 bye all :)
17:08:42 -Clay
17:08:44 -Ed
17:08:48 seeyas
17:08:50 edsu has left #swd
17:09:03 see you!
17:09:10 -Antoine_Isaac
17:09:18 -Margherita
17:09:24 ok bye to everybody
17:09:52 -Ralph
17:09:54 -Tom
17:10:03 -[VrijeUni]
17:10:07 SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
17:10:08 Attendees were Ralph, Tom, Ed, Clay, +39.065.7.aaaa, alistair, Antoine_Isaac, Margherita, Justin, [VrijeUni], seanb
18:33:35 rrsagent, bye
18:33:35 I see 22 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-actions.rdf :
18:33:35 ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02] [1]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-09-45
18:33:35 ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03] [2]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-11-05
18:33:35 ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] [3]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-11-33
18:33:35 ACTION: Antoine to come up with a revised Conceptual Mapping proposal based on the comments received [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01] [4]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-12-48
18:33:35 ACTION: Antoine to come up with a revised Conceptual Mapping proposal based on the comments received [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01] [5]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-19-15
18:33:35 ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package. [6]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-30-40
18:33:35 ACTION: Antoine to send a msg proposing a resolution for next week telecon on ISSUE-39 considering Alisatir's 3 subtopics [7]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-41-21
18:33:35 ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04] [8]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-41-42
18:33:35 ACTION: Antoine to send a mail to the list so as to have a discussion on ISSUE-36 and isDefinedBy for next week's telecon [9]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-53-55
18:33:35 ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01] [10]
18:33:35 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc#T16-55-55
18:33:35