Project:Village Pump

Currently, the page translation target language configuration on mediawiki.org were inherited from the "language converter page translation model".

However, this actually created several problems including the broken page transclutions with malfunctioned language converter tags exposed and using the workaround of Template:Conversion-zh, Template:LC zh. More breakages could be found on phab:T328838.

I would like to propose to use the "translatewiki.net page translation model"/"Miraheze Meta page translation model" instead on mediawiki.org after the related proposal had been discussed, supported and approved and changes had been done on Wikifunctions.

Below are examples of the proposed translation model.

• https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
• https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=
• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=

More briefly for the zh part: The old configuration can only translate into zh while the new configuration can translate into zh-hans (for zh-Hans-CN, zh-Hans-MY, zh-Hans-SG), zh-hant (for zh-Hant-TW) and zh-hk (for zh-Hant-HK, zh-Hant-MO).

Note: "translatewiki.net page translation model"/"Miraheze Meta page translation model" refer to the same translation model.

-- Winston Sung (talk) 08:02, 30 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

Pinging @Aaron Liu @Anterdc99 @AromaTake @Cookai1205 @Diskdance @Lakejason0 @LowensteinYang @MilkyDefer @SolidBlock @Stang @Xiplus @魔琴 -- Winston Sung (talk) 15:02, 2 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I've added my comments on the associated Phabricator task you linked, which is basically about doing the same thing on every multilingual wiki. TL;DR: I'm opposed because as it currently stands, this proposal would quadruple the work of translators. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I'd say rather than doing this, we sort of finding a way to actually implement the NoteTA (manual conversion RULES, so not quadrupling the work but actively using the LC model) for content page. -- Lakejason0 (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)(edited at 17:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC))Reply

Without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we have to pass the language tag every time using message bundle messages.

-- Wrapping all of them under /zh using {{LC zh|, without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()

-- Using separated /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we no longer need to pass the language tag :params( lang_tag ) every time
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):plain()

With this change, every Lua module using translation bundles can be simplified:

- :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):plain()

Without this change, every Lua module using translation bundles need to:

- :t( message_key ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()

-- Winston Sung (talk) 04:44, 5 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

This is a problem, but more one for something like T196501 or something else that allows for fetching the current page variant under Lua. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:33, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Even if T196501 is solved, you still have no way to either get the requested language tag or pass the lang_tag parameter because we are currently using $1 instead of {{{lang|}}}, which make the message bundle messages to be something different like {{{lang|$1}}}. -- Winston Sung (talk) 08:41, 8 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I don't think I understand. As long as lang is set to the needed value somewhere, it should work if we can get all the parent frames, even if it is input by the parser. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:42, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

There might be some misunderstandings.

You can only get "template arguments" like {{{1|}}} after T196501 being solved so we no longer need to write {{LC zh|lang = {{{lang|}}}|

However, "system message arguments"/"interface message arguments" like $1 are never something can be get from frame:getParent().args without either creating new methods to the frame object or still writing {{LC zh|lang = $1| in Wikitext.

:t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ) use the "system message argument API" instead of "template argument API".

-- Winston Sung (talk) 13:06, 11 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Future timestamp to prevent automatic archive to unresolved discusstion topic. -- Winston Sung (talk) 00:00, 1 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

• Traveloperatorrajasthan (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Spam XReport --MathXplore (talk) 07:21, 25 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Blocked by Tanbiruzzaman. --Clump (talk) 13:14, 25 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

• DefenderTienMinh06 vs Truong cong huu, i'm Truong cong huu (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Long-term abuse XReport --Nvdtn19 (talk) 16:04, 25 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Now globally locked. eunn (meta · phab) 08:00, 26 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Do you think the edit to Manual:$wgTmpDirectory by ~2025-26303-10 and their explanation at Manual_talk:$wgTmpDirectory#Reverted_edit_about_default_value. are reasonable?-- Shirayuki (talk) 21:34, 25 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

No response for about 10 days-- Shirayuki (talk) 01:00, 5 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

• Plantaest vs Yummie, Yummie are best (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Long-term abuse. Yummie1207 XReport --eunn (meta · phab) 07:59, 26 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Blocked by Minorax (and globally locked now too). --Clump (talk) 14:34, 26 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

• ~2025-26768-37 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --NDG (talk) 14:24, 26 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Done --Clump (talk) 14:34, 26 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

• ~2025-59212-3 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --Plutus (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Blocked. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 03:08, 27 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

• Thcsphuninh2006 is best is back (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Long-term abuse XReport --eunn (meta · phab) 03:06, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Globally locked by Ajraddatz. --Clump (talk) 11:44, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

• ~2025-26673-93 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --MathXplore (talk) 08:34, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Done --Clump (talk) 11:44, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hi, does this extension add welcome template to temporary account's talk page when they making an edit? Nvdtn19 (talk) 11:47, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hi, some extensions aren't downloadable from the MediaWiki site

Some examples:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/OATHAuth

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/PluggableAuth

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/Cite

Other extensions appear to be downloadable, such as:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/WSOAuth Telesphoreo1 (talk) 18:36, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

These are a list of extensions that aren't working

Nuke Linter CategoryTree Gadgets YouTube MultimediaViewer Scribunto PdfHandler Math CheckUser Interwiki WikiEditor Poem InputBox Echo StopForumSpam SpamBlacklist Timeless MinervaNeue MonoBook

To be more specific, the error is "Unable to fetch information about any branches." when you visit the page. Telesphoreo1 (talk) 18:56, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

It could be a temporary problem. It works for me now. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

It does seem like a temporary problem, but not all of them are still working:

Gadgets YouTube MultimediaViewer Scribunto PdfHandler Math Interwiki WikiEditor Poem Echo Timeless MinervaNeue MonoBook are still down Telesphoreo1 (talk) 19:42, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Try again. They all work for me now. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 11:39, 30 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

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• Yuki Shiromita vs Thcsphuninh2006, I'm Not Yuki Shiromita, I'm Thcsphuninh2006 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Crosswiki abuse. XReport --Bosco Sin (talk) 04:47, 30 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Blocked by Tanbiruzzaman. --Clump (talk) 11:23, 30 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

• BilboBpolson (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --NDG (talk) 09:27, 30 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Done --Clump (talk) 11:23, 30 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

This module was made redundant by require('strict') (T209310). Maybe it's time to start deleting it along with its 441 siblings? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 10:49, 30 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Done --Clump (talk) 12:27, 30 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

• Nvdtn19 thất bại, Thcsphuninh2006 chiến thắng (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Block evasion. Yummie1207 XReport --eunn (meta · phab) 07:06, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Blocked by Jianhui67. --Clump (talk) 11:23, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

• ~2025-27308-59 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --NDG (talk) 11:07, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Done --Clump (talk) 11:23, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Done --Clump (talk) 11:23, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

• ~2025-27332-53 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --NDG (talk) 11:17, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Done --Clump (talk) 11:23, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

• ~2025-27335-31 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --NDG (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

The behavior of the pages tag has changed, so that any page with more than one use of the pages tag implements only the first one and none of the others. Thais can be seen, for example at:

• s:en:Hamlet (1917) Yale
• s:en:Salomé (Wilde 1904) (the current featured text on the main page)
• s:en:Bhagavad-Gita (Besant 4th)
• s:en:Orphée aux Enfers
• s:en:A History of Japanese Literature
• s:en:Chuang Tzŭ (Giles)
• s:en:The Odyssey (Butler)
• s:en:The Unicorn from the Stars (Macmillan 1908)
• s:es:Obras de Juan Rodríguez de la Cámara (1884)/Apéndice.—Poesías
• etc.

Note that this affects the majority of content pages across all Wikisource projects, effectively hiding all content except the first page section from all readers. This change seems to have happened with the last 12 hours.

--EncycloPetey (talk) 19:34, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the bug-report. I've forwarded it on to some of the engineers. They think it might be a result of the code-updates for phab:T278481 and they are now in the process of rolling-back that latest patch. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:29, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

This should now be fixed (the reverting-patch was merged). I've checked the example page-links you provided (thank you for supplying those! Examples always make things clearer) and most were automatically working again, but a few needed to be purged. Thanks again. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:16, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks to everyone involved for the speedy fix. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

• Kateru Zakuro kẻ ghét (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Long-term abuse XReport --Nvdtn19 (talk) 04:39, 4 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Blocked by Minorax. --Clump (talk) 12:15, 4 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Done --Clump (talk) 12:15, 4 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Done --Clump (talk) 11:11, 8 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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