Minutes 2002-04-09

• From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
• Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:34:39 +0100
• To: <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
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I am sorry this is so late.
I forgot!
(We might need to delay approval until next week).
BRIAN, PAT: note action 19,20,21 (yours and mine) below which Jema lost.
Decision 6 was not scribed correctly, and hence not in Jema
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Agenda:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0285.html
IRC Log:
https://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2002-04-19
Jema action/decision summary:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0332.html
Scribe:
Jeremy Carroll
Executive Summary:
Decisions:
1:  Triples should be represented using correct n-triples
2:  close rdfs-online-char-encoding
3:  rdfs-container-membership-superProperty: there will be one
4:  rdfs-constraining-containers is out-of-scope and closed
5:  rdfs-subClassOf-a-Property, legal, in MT, closed.
6:  Do not publish Datatyping WD at this time.
>Jema noted the following actions during RDFCore WG Telecon 2002-04-19
>
>2002-04-19#1:  frankm sync up with eric concerning primer
>2002-04-19#2:  danb review primer, specifically schema stuff
>2002-04-19#3:  martyn review current primer
>2002-04-19#4:  pat provide MT WD for wg review
>2002-04-19#5:  jang review schema WD
>2002-04-19#6:  aaron review schema WD
>2002-04-19#7:  frank review schema WD
>2002-04-19#8:  jos review schema WD
>2002-04-19#9:  danb make schema WD available on Monday
>2002-04-19#10:  jan have test cases WD to review for Monday
>2002-04-19#11:  jeremy review test cases WD
>2002-04-19#12:  jos review test cases WD
>2002-04-19#13:  bwm propose how we move forward with datatyping
>2002-04-19#14:  danc do entailement test case for container with
rdfs:contains
>2002-04-19#15:  danbri propose name for container-membership-superProperty
>2002-04-19#16:  danbri review effect _NNN-superProperty on primer
>2002-04-19#17:  pat respond helpfully to rdfs-subClassOf-a-Property raiser
>2002-04-19#18:  jan produce test case for rdfs-subClassOf-a-Property
The following actions were lost by Jema, but still in IRC log.
2002-04-19#19: brian accept chance to review charmod
2002-04-19#20: jjc review charmod by 31st May
2002-04-19#21: path review charmod by 31st May
(Exact wording of decisions:
>1:  Triples should be represented using correct n-triples
>2:  close rdfs-online-char-encoding
>3:  resolve that there will be common superproperty
>4:  agreed propsoal in agenda 15
>5:  agree resolution in agenda item 16
)
DETAIL
======
* 1: Allocate scribe
jjc (first bit gk)
* 2: Roll Call
Present:
  Martin Horner
  Frank Manola
  Aaron Swartz
  Patrick Stickler
  Jos De Roo
  Graham Klyne
  Dan Connolly
  Jan Grant
  Ron Daniel
  Brian McBride
  Jeremy Carroll
Regrets:
  Steve Petschulat
  Dave Beckett
  Mike Dean
  Eric Miller
* 3: Introduce Observers
HP Observers:
- Andy Seaborne and three students: Alex, Olu, Tim.
* 4: Review Agenda
* 5: Next telecon 10am Boston time, 26 Apr 2002
* 6: Review Minutes of 2002-04-12
* See:
*  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0166.html
Approved after brief discussion.
* 7: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
Confirmed:
[[[
ACTION: 2002-04-05#4 Brian
sort out who will write text for updating test cases wd
ACTION: 2002-04-12#5 aaron
write up datatyping use-case for Dublin Core
see:
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0168.html
ACTION: 2002-04-12#7 jjc
post message to rdfcore with motivating example for dark triples?
see:
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0178.html
]]]
* 8: outstanding issues
(See agenda for list)
* 9: Review of CharMod last call #2
2002-04-19#19: brian accept chance to review charmod
2002-04-19#20: jjc review charmod by 31st May
2002-04-19#21: path review charmod by 31st May
Strong preference for review to be significantly earlier.
* 10: Schedule and document status
* Primer
>2002-04-19#1:  frankm sync up with eric concerning primer
>2002-04-19#2:  danb review primer, specifically schema stuff
>2002-04-19#3:  martyn review current primer
Generally favourable comments have been made.
* Syntax
No discussion.
* Model Theory
>2002-04-19#4:  pat provide MT WD for wg review
By 26th April?
The next WD should be the one before last call.
* Schema
>2002-04-19#5:  jang review schema WD
>2002-04-19#6:  aaron review schema WD
>2002-04-19#7:  frank review schema WD
>2002-04-19#8:  jos review schema WD
>2002-04-19#9:  danb make schema WD available on Monday
Last call schedule unclear.
Friday 26th is last date for us to approve WD before
publishing moratorium in May.
* Test cases
>2002-04-19#10:  jan have test cases WD to review for Monday
>2002-04-19#11:  jeremy review test cases WD
>2002-04-19#12:  jos review test cases WD
* F2F in June:
* Does the WG believe it would be good to meet,
Yes it does.
* 11: How to represent triples in documents.
DECISION 1:
Triples should be represented using correct n-triples.
* 12: Datatyping WD
* Is this document ready for first publication?  Are the editors agreed?
The editors are not agreed.
DECISION 6:
Do not publish Datatyping WD at this time.
>2002-04-19#13:  bwm propose how we move forward with datatyping
* 13: Issue: rdfs-online-char-encoding
* Propose:
* o action Eric to update the schema file with the appropriate character
    encoding declaration
* o close this issue
Hasty looking at file.
It seems to be OK.
DECISION 2:
Close rdfs-online-char-encoding.
* 14: Issue: rdfs-container-membership-superProperty
DECISION 3:
rdfs-container-membership-superProperty: there will be one.
Discussion included:
- entailment works one but not the other.
>2002-04-19#14:  danc do entailement test case for container with
rdfs:contains
- rdf:member or rdf:contains
>2002-04-19#15:  danbri propose name for container-membership-superProperty
>2002-04-19#16:  danbri review effect _NNN-superProperty on primer
* 15: Issue: rdfs-constraining-containers
[[[
Propose:
  o the WG resolves that expressing such a constraint is beyond the
    scope of RDFS.  Such functionality belongs with more powerful
    ontology languages such as daml+oil and owl.
  o The WG notes that DAML+OIL can express this constraint as described in:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0106.html
  o The WG closes this issue
]]]
DECISION 4:  proposal agreed.
16: Issue: rdfs-subClassOf-a-Property
[[[
Propose the WG resolves:
  o an instance of the Property class may have an rdfs:subClassOf
    property
  o the meaning of such a property is defined by the model theory
  o this issue be closed
]]]
DECISION 5: proposal agreed.
Discussion that resolution is unhelpful.
>2002-04-19#17:  pat respond helpfully to rdfs-subClassOf-a-Property raiser
>2002-04-19#18:  jan produce test case for rdfs-subClassOf-a-Property
* 17: daml:collection
Small amount of discussion but time runs out.
Meeting adjourned.
* 18: Issue: rdf-charmod-resources
Not reached.
* 19: Suggest after hours discussion of dark triples
Suggestion was followed (profitably!).

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